Update: Update to this story here: http://www.lessthancredulous.com/2009/09/02/dr-franks-pet-pain-spray-redux
I know I’m not the first to post about this, but after watching the commercial last night I was too angry not to post. As someone who has five dogs, two of which would be considered senior dogs, I’m very concerned with making sure our dogs are comfortable. Luckily, through a good diet, exercise, and weight maintenance, none of our dogs have had any real issues, but it’s something we always consider.
The commercial for Dr. Frank’s Pet Pain Spray shows a bunch of obese dogs struggling to move around, and after they drink water with some of this homeopathic spray added, they magically start running around. The key word in all of this is: homeopathic. Homeopathic “treatments” are in plentiful supply in just about any store that sells medicine. A lot of people assume that homeopathic treatments are all about natural herbs and substances. That’s not what homeopathy is about at all.
Simply put, the idea with homeopathy is that you first find the substance that is causing distress. For the sage of argument, let’s say that carrot juice causes irritable bowel syndrome. The homeopathic solution would be to take 1ml of carrot juice and dilute it with 1000 ml of distilled water. Then you take that, and shake it back and forth 10,000 times. Next, you take 1 ml of that, and dilute that with 1000 ml of distilled water. Shake again. Take that 1ml of that, and dilute it again, and so on, and so on. In the end, you get something that is 99.999% likely to contain zero molecules of carrot juice. Some how the carrot juice is supposed to imprint it’s “vibrations” on the distilled water, which will in turn, eliminate the irritable bowel syndrome.
This is, of course, nonsense. If you don’t believe me, go to the store, buy 20 boxes of homeopathic sleeping pills, and then take them all at once. You’ll be fine, trust me. There isn’t a shred of scientific evidence to show that homeopathy works. There isn’t even a defined mechanism for how homeopathy works. It’s all just blather.
Now it’s annoying when people try homeopathy, but at least humans can think for themselves and report to you if something is or isn’t helping. A pet cannot communicate to you directly. It will suffer in pain while one gleefully sprays distilled water into its water. In fact, you might even hurt the pet more if you make him do something his old joints can’t, because you believe the spray is working.
So don’t ever, ever use Dr. Frank’s Pet Pain Spray and think you’re helping your pet. If you want to keep your pet as healthy as can be, buy premium dog food, feed him some vegetables now and then, keep the weight low, and regularly walk him. If you do think he’s having problems ask your vet perhaps for some anti-inflammatories. And if your vet suggests anything homeopathic, time to find a new vet.
I am so glad I read your opinion. I have a beautiful Golden Retriever who is 17 and she is my life. She stills loves to go for walks, eats healthy and has amazed my vet, he thought she would be dead 3 years ago from a bad heart disease. I was going to try this miracle spray but glad I read some of the testimorials first. Thank you, thank you thank you !!!!!
The stuff works. I know of doesn’t seem to make sense but a dog doesn’t experience the placebo effect so…I don’t know. I have a degree in biology and you’re right, this shouldn’t work. But it does, especially with the herbal pills. I guess there are more things, Horatio.
I think it’s impossible to make blanket statements such as you did about homepathic remedies, regardless of what they’re for. Over the years I’ve used both doctor-prescribed medications, vet-prescribed medications and homeopathic remedies for our family and our pets. I typically go for the homeopathic when traditional medications have not worked. When younger, my daughter suffered terribly from Exima (sp?) and nothing the doctor gave her worked. I went to a local homeopahtic store, bought the cream they recommended and it cleared it right up. When someone in the family starts to come down with a cold, we load them and the rest of the family up on Echinacea and Vit C for about three days and always seem to win the battle against the virus. I’ve tried somethings that are just garbage and I’m not a strong homeopahic zealot by any means, but I think there is room in the world of medicine for both traditional and non-traditional remedies. We ordered Dr. Franks Spray and Supplements for our older Siberian Husky. He had stopped his daily walks due to pain in his leg and hip joints, could no longer go up and down the stairs without horrible pain, etc. I couldn’t stand to see him in such pain and nothing the vet gave us made a difference at all, except a large chunk out of my checking account. After a few days of the Dr. Franks spray and supplements, our dog wasn’t running all over the yard, but he could go up and down the stairs and wanted to resume his daily walks, so that was good enough for us. He’s not going to be a pup ever again, and his time with us in probably not long, so if we can do something, anything, that makes his life better, and less painful, in the meantime, traditional or homeopathic, then I’ll do it.
Wiki says: “Homeopathic practitioners maintain that an ill person can be treated using a substance that can produce, in a healthy person, symptoms similar to those of the illness.” Does that mean Dr. Franks can make a healthy pet sick? I’m middle of the line with this, when I start getting a headache I grab my RX migraine pills not “Head-On”, but when I feel nauseated I grab my ginger tea, aka ginger-diluted-in-water. So who knows, but to those interested in glucosamine chondroitin as mentioned before, it’s good stuff, works well on my mom, dad, and 14-year-old beagle.
so we are supposed to believe someone who has a south park toon on his web page. yeah right. bah ha ha!
I, too, was very skeptical about this product and had always sworn that it would be a cold day in hell before I bought something “as seen on TV.” I was persuaded to buy this product (yes, the telepone ordering proces was a genuine pain in the ass) by 2 things: the 1st was the great result I obtained when a neighbor convinced me to try one of the Peticure nail grooming tools she purchased from a TV commercial; the 2nd was watching my 10 yr old Bassett’s obviously increasing painful movements. The pills the vet gave us upset his stomach and didn’t seem to help all that much. I love my dog like he was my kid and would do almost anything to alleviate his pain. So I tried this stuff. And it worked. Within 5 days. It also worked on the 18 year mixed breed of a friend. That poor dog had stopped even trying to negotiate the three steps leading up to her bedroom because of the pain it caused. No problems with those steps now.
I am not advocating the purchase of products advertised on TV in general, but I am very grateful to have found something that stops Norton’s pain and very happy to have been wrong about my misgivings. It just doesn’t make sense to become so rigid and unflexible that you refuse to even consider anything which falls outside of your know-it-all zone. When a loved one has pain, you shouldn’t automatically discount any solution out of hand.
And as for you, Godkillsyou (or however you spell that ridiculous name), what makes you think anyone will waste their time attempting to offer you proof you will accept? Here’s a newsflash for you — Nobody cares what you think. Get over it.
I like the ad hominem attack. Bring attention to the person, not the argument. And I’m not interested in whether people care about what I think. The sad thing is that you think people should risk their lives on your whimsy of water treatments that have no proof behind them. That is very sad… people losing their lives over your fairy tales.
You should see the list of lives lost from driving automobiles. You should see the list of lives lost from operating industrial equipment. There is risk in everything. Your argument is stupid, plain and simple… that is, if you really believe what you’re saying.
How do I know you aren’t lying? You probably are. That’s why PROOF is so important. I certainly don’t believe in angels in the hearts of men. Should I just take your word that these people are cured? That they ever actually had anything wrong with them in the first place? More whimsy.
Speaking of stupid, I count 3 logical fallacies in this stupid argument. “You are what you eat.” Are you 3 years old? Or is that what your “Eastern” friend told you?
Speaking of “money in it,” why is it that you’re so willing to pay $20 for a bottle of water, but “Western Medicine” is only in it for the money. Idiot. You just pay this money because your “Eastern” medicine is a form of faith. Just like when people give money to the church. Not because there’s any real reason to… it’s just because they believe. And too many times people lose their lives because of what they believe in.
This way of thinking is the result of misinformation and a lack of education. And because you are a True Believer, you will never see truth because you don’t want to. You want there to be magical cures, “natural medicine.” You want things to be simple (-minded). That’s not how life is.
And isn’t it hypocritical of you to NOT require evidence from “eastern” medicine, and yet claim that “Western” medicine doesn’t work? That there isn’t any evidence? That Western medicine is just interested in money? When you pay $20 for a bottle of water (snake-oil)?
But you’ve already shut your mind to any new ideas, so I suppose you’ll just try to insult me instead of listening.
Dr. Frank’s pain spays for people and pets are reminiscent of the quack medicines of the 1850′s only then alcohol was the ingredient that cures all pain and disease with a bit of flavor thrown in for good measure.
When you think about it, the commercials are really humorous and entertaining because they are so outrageous.
Interesting that you state “If you don’t believe me, go to the store, buy 20 boxes of homeopathic sleeping pills, and then take them all at once. You’ll be fine, trust me.” as an arguement to the complete ineffectivity of homeopathics, and yet later state that ‘they have in some cases been proven harmful’ to force another point. Sounds like you are a biased, oppinionated person who will bend the truth to win an arguement.
What a ridiculous digression–look, this blog’s main purpose (or so I thought) was to discuss whether or not this spray worked. Godswhateveryournameis, I have a mental picture of a wannabe philosopher sitting on the computer all day long for lack of any real human connection. Next this will segue into a discussion of whether or not God exists–do we have proof? Christ Almighty!!I did not realize I was re-taking my Logic 101 and 102 courses by contributing to this blog!! WTF!! Do you even own a pet? How are you then even involved in this discussion? Get a life.
Richard,
You are juxtaposing two different points, but thanks for trying.
Dr. Frank’s pain relief spray is a one-size-fits-all medicine which essentially goes counter to the way traditional homeopathic remedies are prescribed. A particular homeopathic remedy will not work for a specific disease on EVERY person who has that same disease. Each prescription must be tailored to the individual’s specific needs, medical history, symptoms and what factors cause alleviation/exacerbation of those symptom, the person’s mental/emotional attitudes, and so much more. A homeopathic doctor has to sit down and perform a rather lengthy interrogation before formulating a suitable homeopathic remedy, or combination thereof. Homeopathy is not one of those 5-minute sessions you may be used to when seeing your allopathic doctor…who then prescribes a toxic drug and sends you on your way. Now you see why Dr. Frank’s can NOT work for EVERY patient/animal…although it can still be effective to varying degrees for many.
Homeopathy works when a knowledgeable, seasoned professional is behind the prescription. As an example of the effectiveness of homeopathy, take a look at these numerous before/after photos of psoriasis patients treated by Dr. Shah of India. Each patient received an individualized prescription, even though they all had psoriasis.
http://www.e-psoriasis.com/app/treatment-photos.asp
Working WITH the body AND mind (which homeopathy addresses BOTH of) rather than working against it, is the way to bring the body back to optimal health. Beyond that, a predominantly animal products/HIGH FAT/VERY LOW fiber diet, with some COOKED veggies (NO grain products), and only little fruit, adequate sun exposure, adequate exercise/activity, some choice whole food supplements, minimizing exposure to chemical toxins (household and environmental), avoiding ALL vaccines (including pet vaccines), and a positive, not-so-serious and fun attitude on life should keep the average person in pretty damn good condition well into old age.
As for dogs/cats…these animals need an all animal diet. They are predator carnivores…not herbivores, frugivores, or omnivores. They need meats, eggs, and animal fats…lots of fat in fact. Natural, unadulterated animal fat is nature’s wonder medicine for any and all diseases for both animal and human. Dogs/cats don’t need veggies or grains. These contain fiber which their intestines and digestive systems are not geared to handle, and which can cause damage…leading, after many years, to a myriad of diseases…but all because of veggie fiber. The same applies to humans, but we can manage veggies if they are well prepared first (well cooked, boiled as in soups, steamed, fermented, etc.). Whatever plant foods are eaten, make sure to eat it with plenty of animal fat (e.g.; from butter, sour cream, cheese and other dairy products, meat fats, organ fats, eggs, etc.).
Dogs/cats do well on raw chicken too. Cooking chicken creates brittle bones that, if broken, form sharp, jagged points and edges. In its raw form, they can eat it with impunity and even the soft bone will be easily digested. Just give a raw chicken leg to a cat and you will see the cat devour the entire leg, including the bone. And if it smells bad (rotten), don’t throw it away…let them eat it because the bacteria will benefit their digestive and immune system. Don’t worry if it sometimes gives them diarrhea…it is cleaning them out. Bacteria are nature’s clean-up crew. Just make sure they’re outside if they’re eating rotten meat…lol Its a great food/medicine if given periodically.
Anyway, perhaps for those who don’t find relief from Dr. Frank’s for you or your pet, you can seek out a very experienced homeopathic (and/or herbal) doctor or vet who can address your individual needs. You may get better results.
I have an 11 year old Australian Rottie mix who was having trouble getting up. Neon is a big guy but not at all over weight. His left rear leg has shrunk from not being used and he would limp with that leg for the first three or four steps every time he got up. The spray is all that we have used. It took about 8-10 days and he acts like a puppy again. No limp. The vet even noticed. Our pets get the best care possible. The vet wanted to do an expensive treatment that would last about 6 months. So far she says just keep doing what you are doing. Neon is much better!
Hope this helps.
I haven’t tried the spray , so I really do not know .It is my understanding it is some sort of sulfer based remedy .Of course sulfer itself can be very dangerous . Our 11 year old chow mix has real joint problems .We put her on Previcox and she was like a new dog .Unfortunately ,now she has real liver problems . It’s hard not to believe it was the Previcox .Now we are afraid to give her an nsed of any kind .She only takes an over the counter glucosamine and chondroitin chew now (
Dasuquin also seems to bother her ) So what do you do ? Destroy her liver in an effort to relieve pain ? Just seems there should be a better way , the prescription nseds and dog aspirin can be detrimental for some dogs .
It worked for my 19 yo cat! How do I know? The yowling stopped, the crying out when getting up or down stopped(his rear end was giving out on him). It did not turn him into kitten, it did not work in one day, it did not end war in the world. What it did do was allow me to put off the inevitable for another full year, and that to me was worth way more than $40 (2 bottles).
I read the fine print, I’ve encounterred auto-ship programs before, so what I did was the math. I figured at the low dose needed for a cat of his size that 1 bottle would last about 6 months, so I waited til the next month’s shipment showed up and that very day I called up and cancelled. I had no problems, and they had plenty of time to cancel before the next shipment. I think a lot of people need immediate gratification and when they don’t get it they say it is a scam. The only problem I had was that I could tell that he could tell his water tasted funny. My solution was simply to mix it into the water that I mixed with his wet food to make it soupy. You have to be consistent for it to work, it’s not an ibuprofen that makes your headache go away in 20 minutes, everyday without fail. I don’t expect every remedy to work for everyone, I personally get no relief from Aleve(naproxen) but I do from ibuprofen, so it wouldn’t surprise me to find out it doesn’t work for all animals all of the time. I just know that I wish I had found this product sooner, because watching his legs go out from under him then him getting up and continuing on with no hesitation or yowl of pain was so worth it. You can’t keep them from getting old, but you can try to keep them comfortable.
My Bichon Frise is 14 yrs. old. I have used the spray (routinely) for two months-amazing. She runs like a crazy girl–you would think she was 2! I am hooked ! No more moaning and groaning when getting up! Worth trying. RX are toxic and harmful to organs. Highly recommend. Proof is that my dog can play tag! Again!
I like many of the other posters in this blog, have purchased Dr. Franks pet spray and the tablets, and have been giving both products to my 12.5 year-old wolf mixed-breed female dog, Wiley. I like many of the other posters was skeptical with the television commercial that pulls on your heart-strings, was sick of the Vet bills, and also wanted to give Wiley some comfort in the remaining time she has left. In her 12.5 years she has never been fat, had one litter of healthy puppies, been hit twice by cars, taken many falls down steps & rocky mountainsides, and has been accidentally poisoned once, yet she survived all this – still has a very strong will to live, and has outlived her two sisters by over two-years. She has been eating quality dog food with the Glucosomine additive for three years and still does, but it just didn’t seem to help her stiff joints anymore, and aspirin upset her stomach. She had gotten to the point that she could not go up/down stairs and had a very hard time sitting and especially getting-up. One week after giving her the Dr. Franks spray and tablets there was a noticeable difference, not a BIG difference, but a noticeable change in improvement of her stiffness. She will never again be a puppy, sled dog, or the formidable wolf dog that packed with her two sisters as our 24/7 family’s protectors… but she is now more comfortable, and I feel that I owed her at least that much for her dedicated years of service.
I also disliked Dr. Frank’s sales tactics that automatically charged future orders to my credit card, and I did get them to stop this crappy business tactic via email, and will make all future orders by phone instead of by Internet. Some of the people on this blog are typical, and perhaps this product is just tap water and paste tablets, and it’s just a mentally linked, placebo-metaphysical phenomenon… but for my dog these products did work and improved her quality of life. Regardless of what Godpillzdoo or the other negativity appearing on this blog has said, it can’t hurt to try something once. If it doesn’t work then stop buying it… just make sure you order it over the phone.
I like many of the other posters in this blog, have purchased Dr. Frank’s pet spray and the supplement tablets, and I have been giving both to my 18.5 year-old wolf-mixed-breed dog, Wiley. I was also skeptical with Dr. Frank’s television commercial that pulls on your heart-strings, was also sick of the Vet bills, and also wanted to give Wiley some comfort with the remaining time she has left. In her 18.5 years, she has never been overweight, had one litter of healthy puppies, been hit twice by cars, taken many falls down steps & rocky mountainsides, and has been accidentally(?) poisoned once. Yet she survived all this, still has a very strong will to live, and has outlived her two sisters by almost two-years. She has been eating dog food with the Glucosomine additive for three years and still does, but it just didn’t seem to help her anymore. She had gotten to the point that she could not go up/down stairs and had a very hard time sitting and especially getting-up. One week after giving her the Dr. Frank’s spray and tablets there was a noticeable difference, not a BIG difference, but a noticeable change in her discomfort and she still cannot handle starirways. She will never again be a puppy, sled dog, or the formidable guard dog that packed with her two sisters as our family’s 24/7 protectors, but she is now more comfortable. I felt that I at least owed her that much for all of her many years of dedicated work.
I also disliked Dr. Frank’s sales tactics that automatically charged future orders to my credit card, and I did get them to stop this crappy business tactic via email, and will make all future orders by phone instead of through the Internet; however, I have not been able to locate a Phone Number to place an order through. Some of the people on this blog are substantiated with their doubts, and perhaps this product is just water and paste tablets, or possibly it’s just a mentally-linked, metaphysical, placebo phenomenon… but for my dog these products did work. Regardless of what the other negative individuals appearing on this blog have said, it can’t hurt to try something once. If it doesn’t work then stop buying it… just make sure you order it over the phone, IF a phone number can be found to order it through.
I do not work for Dr. Franks. I do not endorse automatic billing. Before the spray, the dog(English Bulldog)would not go up, or down the stairs. Now it goes up and down the stairs.The dog does not do cartwheels, but it is a marked improvement.Water, or not, for some reason it is working.Maybe its magic voodoo water.As I said, as others have said, the automatic billing is a sad way for people to make money. Sammie, the 45 pound bulldog, does not have to be carried up and down the stairs anymore. Believe me or not. It would be nice if it costs 3 bucks, and was sold in stores.
Hello. I know you mean well trying to put the word out. But there are two sides to everything. I have used homeopathic medicine for 25 years for many, many conditions and have always felt better.
Here is a quote from Healing Remedies by C. Norman Shealy, MD, PhD: “Homoepathy is based on the principle that “like cures like”, meaning the treatment given is similar in substance to the illness it is helping. Although tt has its roots that go back many centuries, it began in its present form a mere 200 years ago and today is a popular, safe and effective treatment for many problems. Homeopathy works on the principle of stimulating the body’s defense mechanism by treating it with minute doses of a substance that produces symptoms similar to those of the illness. Allopathic, or conventional medicine, works by suppressing symptoms.”
Substances used in homeopathic medicine are natural substances, anything from coffee, tissue salts, herbs, copper, bee sting venom, snake venom… the list is endless. And actually the more the solution has been diluted, the higher the potency.
As for Dr. Frank’s remedies, my dog is 12years old and not obese. She began having trouble walking and getting up and down and I knew she was in pain. Saw the commercial, bought the spray and the herbal supplement tablets and within a week, she was much better. Not trying to be argumentative, but I thought others might want some more information. I’m buying more today.
Do not order this. It doesn’t work and they sign you up for shipments every 30 days and refuse to refund money when you express dismay and surprise at getting the second bottle.
Dont buy this snake oil! this is just a big waste of money.
There customer service is so bad, almost everyone is angry with
this cheesy company. To see what other people say about there customer
service, visit amazon.com and search dr franks pain spray.
All scientifically logical, faith based or even ridiculous arguments aside, who’s to say, but your pet?
I PLACED AN ORDER ON OCT. 23 2008, IT IS NOW NOV. 19 2008, I PAID THE EXTRA FEE FOR FAST DELIVERY, I CALLED THEM VIA TELEPHONE AFTER 2 WEEKS, TO NO AVAIL. THEY DID REFUND MY EXTRA CHARGE FOR FAST DELIVERY BUT I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY ORDER.
I HAVE CALLED THEM AND E-MAILED THEM MANY TIMES, ALL THEY TELL ME IS TO CALM DOWN IT WILL COME.
People, please start using your brains. Please! How many times do you have to hear that this stuff is sugar water? Do you not believe that, or do you choose to think there’s something magic in there that can’t be detected? The guy is right about homeopathy. That’s how it is done. It’s a fact. Don’t get defensive because you fell for it, then defend the crap and perpetuate it. We all fall for things. It’s nothing to be ashamed of unless you keep falling for it after you’ve heard facts to the contrary.
This behavior has reached a critical level in the Western world. We now choose what to believe based on our desires rather than looking at evidence. We have to embrace the truth. We have to use that truth in our reasoning. Television is not a compass to guide us through life.
I know that fact and reason can sometimes lead to disappointment, and I understand that they can be bland. Unfortunately that’s life. We don’t get to make it up as we go. We are always better off knowing the truth.
Read Shane’s blog again. What’s he saying? He’s saying that homeopathy is a deception. What does he base that on? He bases it on the methods used in homeopathy– the dilution of some substance in distilled water until the concentration is practically zero. ZERO.
Now, if you want to argue with him, check his facts. Is this really how homeopathic drugs are produced? In this case, he is correct, but please, FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF! If you come up with real evidence to dispute this, by all means please post it for our own good.
Don’t say, “But it worked for me!” That’s not an argument. Are you saying that distilled water cured your dog? Are you saying you don’t believe the blog?
We are better than this. Marketing should not be as easy as it is. Television, media, marketing, etc. are there for a purpose, and that is to make money. It is not there to decide for you. It is not the Oracle at Delphi. It is not a crystal ball. It is a tool for getting your money and support. If we stop falling for this crap there won’t be so much of it to sort through.
I do not mean to sound as though I think I’m smart and you are not. We are all smart enough to see this. Just think about it and and don’t turn your head from the truth. It’s disheartening at times but it is necessary
If you’re disgusted by what I’ve written, just this once, find the points you disagree with. Be specific. Then take those points one at a time and address them. If your response is to be indignant or angry at me, you have missed the whole point.
Sorry for the length of this response, and sorry for being somewhat off-topic.
WOW! so many opinions on this its amazing. You will just about do any thing to help yer pup if they are having probs BUT! i think DR Frank and his crew are full of homeopathic juice to be kind. I do not trust any thing you see on TV. They make all these promises and have testamonials.Well so does jim baker and all that crew. heating pad and plenty of veggies and lots of water and walks seem to help my pup
Look at the posts from “in retrospect” (http://www.shanebrady.com/2008/01/30/dr-franks-pet-pain-spray/#comment-40313) and “Gary B.” (http://www.shanebrady.com/2008/01/30/dr-franks-pet-pain-spray/#comment-40353). Back to back posts that are basically the same exact story, with a few details changed. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same person posted it, trying to shill for this snake oil salesman.
This is why you can’t trust anecdotal evidence, people.
I have a 15 year old cat, who has really bad arthritis in her back. My vet placed her on glucosamine; however, that only slightly relieved her pain. I showed my vet the ingredients in Dr. Franks and was told that there was nothing harmful and that some cats respond well to homeopathic treatment and others don’t respond at all. It depends on the animal. My cat has now been on Dr. Franks for over 6 months, and I can see a difference. Now I can touch her back, where before I couldn’t touch her back at all. She still struggles to lay down and get up, but she’s not crying anymore when she does. I believe in the product; however, I do believe it depends on the animal. I say at least try it.
I have a healthy, 8 year old Husky who started exhibiting stiffness in his back legs about a year ago. I saw this ad on TV and thought it was a small price to pay for his comfort. If it didn’t work, then lesson learned. I saw his stiffness and lethargy decrease after just a few days after giving him this supplement in his water. I am now on my 4th bottle. I have since started giving him glucosamine supplements daily. I am employed as an educator and do not work for Dr. Frank’s. My expertise is not in knowing how homeopathic treatments are made nor from what they are made. I just believe what I see and what I see is my Husky able to go on daily 30 minute walks with ease.
I have given Dr. Frank’s medicine to six husbands and it works great for me. The old farts were driving me crazy so I started mixing the spray in their coffee. Now I have lots of insurance money and may buy myself a good dog. But I sure won’t give that dog any of Dr. Frank’s spray.
Just for everyone’s “Edification”!!???:~~~I ordered the “Pet Pain Spray” in Jan. of ’09, got it withing a couple of wks.–& started putting it in the water dishes for our oldest “Crippled” cat. While I can’t say it’s done “WONDERS”!!???—I DO “Notice” that several of the cats seem to “Prefer” drinking out of the two water dishes with it in!!!!—My “ADVICE”
IS:—WHEN you “ORDER” Do so–with a Money Order–NOT “Obtained” from
YOUR “BANK”!!!—(I used a local convenience store, or the P.O.!!)—& I only gave my first initial, last name & address!!!! While I DID get the “Notice” that
I was “NOW SIGNED UP FOR MONTHLY SHIPMENTS”!!???—I have NEVER Gotten ANY MORE!!!!—(& I thought for “SURE” they’d be here by NOW!!??”)))”!
….I’m “Guessing” that “C.O.D.” is Either generally NOT “Available”!!???—OR
TOO “Cost Prohibitive” to be BOTHERED with!!???–Anyway, IF you WANT to
“TRY” it—-& DON’T WANT the “HASSLE” of having payments deducted from
your bank acct.—(which I DID Read, on several websites about the CO.–Before “Ordering”!!!)—USE A MONEY ORDER!!!!!—”)))”!!!! Thanks!!!
What a rip-off – We love my animals. We were hoping this would give some comfort and improvement. This product did not help our Dalmatian. I called to cancel the auto-ship. I was told it had already been shipped although we didn’t receive it for 2 more weeks. We were told to send it back when it arrived which my husband did within a few days of when the shipment arrived. I called and was told it might take up to 60 days for the refund. I called back today – Now I am told the product wasn’t received until Dec so it was past the 30 day return policy – again – what a rip off! These people are con artists! Never, ever order anything from them.
I have an 11 year old shepherd mix. He is my only love. I have had to go bankrupt to keep him well. First, vet said ear infections which turned out to be yeast and after thousands of dollars and many years, he is totally cured by using acidophilus. Then the stupid vet at Denver’s supposedly best TV ER vets took a biopsy without my permission in his mouth and found maxo facial cancer, thus creating the tumor to change and finally had to spend thousands on removal and came back to CA when they wanted to dig more. That was 5 yrs ago and he is FINE. Then he broke his cruteau sp? and due to size had knee replaced and now has huge metal plates and is FINE, no pain no nothing. NOW HERE IS what is going on. On a walk two weeks ago, he lifted his OTHER paw like he had a spur. There was NO SPUR and I felt a groin muscle or ligament shaking and he has not been able to walk since. He does not seem to be in much pain, but I fear something is WRONG. Used Deramax, NOTHING, aspiring NOTHING… think I am taking to vet for xray and keep hearing of this spray and can’t seem to find any ANYthing about it I can trust. Does anyone know anything about this spray? I also am in constant pain and am very skeptical of these things. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Sally
MK…
You haven’t added anything useful to this conversation… probably like your contributions to the human race. Useless. You’re probably just a piece of redundant protoplasm coagulating in a vat somewhere trying to grow… feeding off ad hominem attacks which you deliver at people over the internet. Nice job.
When you actually show evidence of whatever you’re trying to say, I’ll listen. But this whole tirade you went on was nothing but trash.
And why would you even bring up “God existing” in this? No one said anything about it, aside from you.
At least you were mature enough to address the issues in a human-like fashion…. oh, wait… you weren’t. You just dove right in, hurling insults. How about actually addressing the points I made, instead of lobbing personal attacks? Oh, probably because you don’t have the cognitive capacity to form a cogent argument. Maybe you should retake Logic 101. Your previous post might have garnered some respect if you had.
Sure makes you look like a respectable person with a valid opinion, doesn’t it?
I have a 12 year old Dalmation who has hip problems, as with any pet owner I am looking for ways to help her quality of life. I came acrossed this blog hoping to get some real input of the product. As with all internet blogs it turns into a titfortat against the bloger…Does any one have a dog this has helped or are you all just bored people with nothing else in life but to look for and trash blogs..I highly dout any employee is going threw the millions of sites adding untrue comments, I’m sure they are to busy selling stuff we don’t need
and making sure your credit card gets double billed.
useing big words does not show any cogitate or any cognition, just you have a dictionary at hand. Maybe we all need to redo logic 101…logic plain and simple, why post to some thing just to trash it,, if you don’t have any thing to say about the product, shut the FK up…7catowner said it best..guess they passed logic 101…and 202..lol
I think there is a placebo effect on the owner; which rubs off on the dog. My almost 14 year old Shep-Rot has had trouble with her back legs for a year or so. She also had a very bad bout of peripheral vestibular syndrome. She hag been a very active, very happy, very maternally protective dog who helped raise and look after two teenage boys and now 6 grandchildren.
She did not adjust to old age very well initially; had a lot of anxiety. She would shake while negotiating stairs. She would fall while walking, become petrified, and have trouble getting up. There were ‘accidents’ — something she had never done and which embarrassed her greatly. In the past, she would hold it to the point of getting sick rather than going inside.
Watching her have these troubles caused my wife and I pain and anxiety; which, no doubt, increased her angst. Now, we are all getting used to it and adjusting. She is learning to slow down and be patient, We have noticed that unexpected motion, like swinging the door open quickly, makes her dizzy. So we avoid that. Gradually, she has been been getting about better, having fewer accidents, falls less often, and gets back up better. She is not quite so nervous about going up stairs. The point is that Doctor Frank’s Spray works because it makes the owner feel more in control. That rubs off on the dog, thus reducing anxiety and panic.
BTW, I am a Buddhist and have a home altar where I chant, pray, and meditate. I offer water and chant a mantra over it, then give the dog the water to drink. It probably works just as well the spray. The dog loves hearing the mantra too. Odaimoku, Om Mani Padme Hum, the Chant of Metta, and the Great Compassion Mantra are her favorites. Doing Hail Marys over a glass of water, if one has faith, would likely work as well.
Homeopathic preparations = water. Plain and simple. Checking the Dr. Frank’s Spray for Humans page, I saw some ingredients are at a 6X “concentration” and others at 30X. In homeopathic terms, a NX “concentration” is one part of active agent to ten parts of water, then one part of that mix to ten parts of water, etc. for N repitions. So, 6X is a 1:1,000,000 DILUTION (that is, one part active agent to one MILLION parts of water, or one milligram per liter) and a 30X is 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1:10^30) dilution. As there are around 10^25 molecules of water in one 8 ounce glass of water, you would need 100,000 glasses of water to have just one molecule of the active ingredient. ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND GLASSES OF WATER and in all that only one molecule of active ingredient? Think about it — if that is the case, then one whole bottle of this stuff would have 1/100,000 of a molecule of active ingredient. In other words, the whole bottle would be pure water! Even the 6X level would only have about 100 MICROgrams in the whole bottle – six sprays at that level would be practically pure water!
Don’t be fooled — Dr. Frank is making a mint by selling you nothing but purified water — and at $20 for a 4 ounce bottle, he’s doing it even worse than Perrier!
It is very simple, homeopathic medicine has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to be invalid. Study after study has shown this and it is not even a debatable issue in modern medicine anymore. In the dilutions that Dr. Frank has in his spray there may not even be one single molecule of the substances he claims to be using. That means that the spray is basically FDA labeled as sugar water since there is no measurable amount (if any) of the substance listed because the dilutions are often into the billionths.
Ah, but the good Doctor will say that the water has “memory” of the substance. Since there is no real science behind this you have to have “faith” in that idea. This is no better than buying water from someone on a street corner claiming to be a Nepalese Witch Doctor with sacred Himalayan Rock Salt containing 86 rare earth minerals necessary for your health. Wait, some homeopathic sites sell that stuff, just without the Witch Doctor, and the salt contains traces of Plutonium and Strontium.
Now if you still think these Homeopathic medicines and Homeopathic medicine are worth your time and money, please do some research. I recommend reading a book such as Trick or Treatment, The Undeniable Facts About Alternative Medicine by Simon Singh and Edzard Ernst.
Great post! I love that you are taking the time to write about pet care. This is something near and dear to my heart. Take care.
Ever notice how self-righteous skeptics are trying to save the world by ridding them of their “unfounded beliefs” in anything they themselves don’t have enough faith to believe in? You don’t want to believe: fine, don’t! Thank God your advice is only slightly (1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)(1:10^30) diluted water.
As for me I choose to believe and all of your caustic rhetoric will NOT change my rose-colored view point. Angus moves better now, for WHATEVER reason.
I’m happy to be of service to him and all my other four-legged companions. Even if it costs me money. His love, you see, is worth more to me than my money.
BTW, your foul contempt of people who believe when you refuse to, or sadly, perhaps are incapable of, will not make one little bit of difference in my decision making process, ever.
Would you like some cheese to go with that whine.
There is so much huffing and puffing in all of these, I wonder if there is anyone posting here who has any FACTS?
I love my dogs and cats and I would like to know some facts about taking care of their needs.
I don’t doubt that many of you simply are angry. Bu do any of you know what you are talking about?
There are three important missing elements: FACTS, FACTS, FACTS!
It’s simple. Dogs are very stoic animals. Their physical ability to handle pain is wildly impacted by their state of mind. Much of their state of mind is a product of the mood they sense in their humand and canine companions. Worried people create stress. Stress robs the dog of some of what it needs to overcome painful joints.
Once a dog with stiff joints spends a little more time moving around, it will do better. Moving more means making it easier to move more. And an dog with an enthusiastic, hopeful owner will move more, period. The placebo effect, here, IS on the humans, and the dogs simply cue off of it – except when they don’t or can’t because the damage is simply too severe or the dog it just too fat.
So what does this mean? It means that gullible people are buying $20 bottles of sugar water because they believe in magic. It makes them hopeful and enthusiastic, and their dogs sense this and respond to it. The real question is: why do people with such poor critical thinking skills and a childlike case of magical thinking not simply do what’s needed to perk up their dog in the first place, instead of paying a snake oil salesman to ship them bottles of holy water?
It’s WATER, people. Homeopathy is an embarassing bunch of hooey, and deep down, everyone knows it. “Dr. Frank” should be embarassed, but nearly as much as the suckers who fall for this nonsense.
Why do I care? Because the same people who BUY this stuff, and believe in magical potions and vibrating water (!), also VOTE. Yikes, that’s scary.
What fun watching two obviously insecure grown men (MK & Godkillzu) engage in an online pissing contest. Too much time on your hands boys!
Homeopathy doesn’t work? Maybe I’m confusing natural (ie unpatentable) with homeopathy. Those of you who think “natural” products don’t work should look into where most pharmecuticals come from. A high percentage of them are simply synthetic versions of naturally occuring compounds. Pain pills for example are mostly opiods or synthetic versions thereof. Why not go ask the Thai people if kratom tea will kill pain and elevate mood. Anybody who says opium, which is a naturally occuring compound, doesn’t work should really go try some. If nothing else it would certainly do away with some of the venom circulating around here. Tone it down a bit folks. By the way, my 5 year old black lab isn’t in pain. I was checking this stuff out in order to purchase the ingredients to try on MY pain, instead of making big drug even richer while killing my liver.
Isn’t it easy to judge someting you haven’t even tried? The only people on this blogg who are saying it doesn’t work are those who haven’t even tried it.LMFAO!!!!! I found this site by looking for those who HAVE tried it.This is really no different than inviting someone to dinner only to have them say your meatloaf taste like crap,and they haven’t even tasted it yet.It really shows just how arrogant most people truly are.
wow. i have 11 yr old golden retiever with very bad hips. im sad to see ll this bickering on here. i came here to see if dr franks spray has helped anyone. i just ordered 2 bottles and had absolutely no problem with the order.
i dont see the harm in trying it and life is short people loosen up. so what if i wasted a few dollars trying to make my baby feel better? good grief, there are some very disturbed people here. im going to use it for 2 solid mths as directed when it comes and i will post my results!
Question, Help needed.
I have an 11.5 year old Wire Hair Terrier, Buddy. He is the love of my life and quite a character. He went through the Heart worm treatment about a year ago and came through it very well. My Vet says his heart sounds perfect.
I put him on Dr Frank’s Spray abput 3 months ago and his arthritus has subsided. He has developed a hacking/gagging cough that is becoming constant. Every time I bring him in the Vet gives him a different round of medicine and says he is changing the medicine cause the last one did not work and this one will and he guarantees this will solve the problem. granted everytime I have brought Buddy in he has had a low grade temp and that is why he puts him on the meds. Last time he put him on Torbutrol 2x daily & “Pred” I assme that is Predazone 1x daily and clavamox 2X. Is the spray possibly causing this trouble.
when the heart worms were discovered he was hacking stuff up. Now it is a dry hacking. Nothing is ever coughed up.
ADVISE PLEASE.
Thanks,
Tim G., Rayne LA
CTimGo@aol.com
I got an answer to my question.
My dog Buddy has an enlarged heart and that is what is causing the hacking/gagging problem and has nothing to do with tDr. Franks pet spray.
AND YES DR FRANKS SPRAY DID ALMOST DO AWAY WITH BUDDY’S ARTHRITAS. I RECOMMEND IT TO EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tim Gossen
I can only say that my dog, who had leg surgery a few years ago and who was not obese, was having trouble going down steps and favoring his back leg. After just a few days of Dr. Frank’s spray he was obviously feeling no pain and running down steps as though he had no discomfort at all. It does work, as did the Dr. Frank’s joint and muscle relief spray for humans work for me. That’s why I tried it on the dog.
Marianne
I placed an order for canine, pain reliever, and have not had an email to verify the order. Please reply